Comments on: PunisherMax: "Kingpin" [Review] http://thehomeworld.net/blog/2010/03/punishermax-kingpin-review/ Geek Media For Geeks, By Geeks Sat, 10 Dec 2011 08:40:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Christopher http://thehomeworld.net/blog/2010/03/punishermax-kingpin-review/comment-page-1/#comment-210 Christopher Thu, 18 Mar 2010 02:54:10 +0000 http://thehomeworld.net/?p=3821#comment-210 @hoboboxerjoe You seem confused on various points. First off, I don't think Ennis is the be-all-end-all anything; I simply pointed out that he's had an impact on the character. And really, he has. If not for Ennis' handling of the character on "Welcome Back, Frank" and "The Punisher MAX", the character would likely still be in Marvel limbo, only occasionally appearing in other titles without an on-going of his own. Secondly, bad review? I didn't give this a bad review in the slightest! I really enjoyed "Kingpin", as you can tell by the review. And finally, I'm thrilled that you're enjoying "FrankenCastle", but if you think for a second that it's a lasting change, you're mistaken. In the true, cyclical nature of comics, he'll be back to normal by stories end. @hoboboxerjoe You seem confused on various points.

First off, I don’t think Ennis is the be-all-end-all anything; I simply pointed out that he’s had an impact on the character. And really, he has. If not for Ennis’ handling of the character on “Welcome Back, Frank” and “The Punisher MAX”, the character would likely still be in Marvel limbo, only occasionally appearing in other titles without an on-going of his own.

Secondly, bad review? I didn’t give this a bad review in the slightest! I really enjoyed “Kingpin”, as you can tell by the review.

And finally, I’m thrilled that you’re enjoying “FrankenCastle”, but if you think for a second that it’s a lasting change, you’re mistaken. In the true, cyclical nature of comics, he’ll be back to normal by stories end.

]]> By: hoboboxerjoe http://thehomeworld.net/blog/2010/03/punishermax-kingpin-review/comment-page-1/#comment-209 hoboboxerjoe Thu, 18 Mar 2010 02:06:46 +0000 http://thehomeworld.net/?p=3821#comment-209 Gonna COMPLETELY disagree with your perceptions of this series so far. First off, the writer has stated that he is not going to ignore Frank's age. In fact, I'm seeing more of an aknowledgement here than I did in Ennis's series, as much as I love it. Throughout 1-5 we see Frank referenced in his age, Dillon's artwork here in contrast to Welcome Back Frank shows that Castle has indeed aged since then. Nearly a decade, in fact. His injuries also will carry to the next arc, something that Ennis was nearly infamous for was how much the Punisher would be punished and be ok the next arc. So it seems to be you have it ass-backwards almost. Also you had an underlying theme about family throughout this entire arc that I thought came to an absolutely stunning conclusion. Frank forgetting his son's birthday, Kingpin doing what he did. The Mennonite's inevitble fate and leaving his family behind. All these things sent quite the powerful range of emotions through me, personally. Jason Aaron is turning up to be a fantastic replacement for Ennis. Taking on a job that has standards that are nearly impossible to meet for some fans. The ones who think that Ennis is the be-all-end-all of Frank and anyone who does anything as good is just imitating, or Ennis-lite. Jason Aaron has added his own unique feel to the series while keeping it in-tone with what we have come to love. PS: Frank(en) Castle shouldn't be judged so quickly and harshly. When a character goes through a change like this, in a universe like the one this Frank exists in, mixed reactions, a story-arc that is based on adjustment, etc. are going to happen. Frank went through hell, took a shot, was mentally shredded, then physically. He bit off more than he could chew. My gripe with a character change is this: It's not all about the physical changes, it is about the actual changes to the characters character, their essence. In issue 13 we see Frank having the same awesome inner-monologues as before, the cool one-liners. The cold and intense manner of killing. His war has changed, he physically has changed, but he is still the same soldier. He can now role with the rest of the MU and be less, fringe-y. Your opinion will likely never change no matter what happens as it sounds like you've made up your mind. Furthermore, this whole "it's not Ennis" stuff just seems to stop. It's obviously not Ennis, and your points for giving it a bad review were outright lies or clear misunderstandings that even the writer himself pointed out. It's not that you disagree with my opinion, it's the fact that you made points that just aren't there. The age thing especially bugged me, as it is damn near the complete opposite. Gonna COMPLETELY disagree with your perceptions of this series so far. First off, the writer has stated that he is not going to ignore Frank’s age. In fact, I’m seeing more of an aknowledgement here than I did in Ennis’s series, as much as I love it. Throughout 1-5 we see Frank referenced in his age, Dillon’s artwork here in contrast to Welcome Back Frank shows that Castle has indeed aged since then. Nearly a decade, in fact.
His injuries also will carry to the next arc, something that Ennis was nearly infamous for was how much the Punisher would be punished and be ok the next arc. So it seems to be you have it ass-backwards almost.
Also you had an underlying theme about family throughout this entire arc that I thought came to an absolutely stunning conclusion. Frank forgetting his son’s birthday, Kingpin doing what he did. The Mennonite’s inevitble fate and leaving his family behind. All these things sent quite the powerful range of emotions through me, personally.
Jason Aaron is turning up to be a fantastic replacement for Ennis. Taking on a job that has standards that are nearly impossible to meet for some fans. The ones who think that Ennis is the be-all-end-all of Frank and anyone who does anything as good is just imitating, or Ennis-lite. Jason Aaron has added his own unique feel to the series while keeping it in-tone with what we have come to love.

PS: Frank(en) Castle shouldn’t be judged so quickly and harshly. When a character goes through a change like this, in a universe like the one this Frank exists in, mixed reactions, a story-arc that is based on adjustment, etc. are going to happen. Frank went through hell, took a shot, was mentally shredded, then physically. He bit off more than he could chew. My gripe with a character change is this: It’s not all about the physical changes, it is about the actual changes to the characters character, their essence. In issue 13 we see Frank having the same awesome inner-monologues as before, the cool one-liners. The cold and intense manner of killing. His war has changed, he physically has changed, but he is still the same soldier. He can now role with the rest of the MU and be less, fringe-y. Your opinion will likely never change no matter what happens as it sounds like you’ve made up your mind.
Furthermore, this whole “it’s not Ennis” stuff just seems to stop. It’s obviously not Ennis, and your points for giving it a bad review were outright lies or clear misunderstandings that even the writer himself pointed out.

It’s not that you disagree with my opinion, it’s the fact that you made points that just aren’t there. The age thing especially bugged me, as it is damn near the complete opposite.

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